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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:15:00 -
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Ive seen the question asked alot lately. They're pretty obviously out for only THEIR best interests, they an CCP dont see eye to eye anyways (3 months for the minutes to the emergency minutes lol), CCP HAS and will release things without telling them or behind their backs.
Theyre PR puppets they like to pull out when the community is in an uproar. They have no power of their own.
The group was formed for one, impossible reason, continued cause CCP needs PR lackeys, and I think their usefulness has passed. I know WHY they were formed but WHY to we continue to NEED them now? -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 01/09/2011 00:43:00 Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 01/09/2011 00:41:22
Originally by: Breaker77 It was formed due to the T20 incident. If you don't know what that is, you have no right to complain about it.
way to fail at the search option
Ill help you tho
Not my post but in the same thread
plus, read the very last line of my OP
Quote: I know WHY they were formed but WHY to we continue to NEED them now?
-------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dalloway Jones Why must people whine about this? You think if they dissolve the CSM your sub fee is suddenly going to be ten bucks less a month? It is pretty cool that an MMO even has something like this. If candidates are elected that the public don't care about they have no one to blame but themselves.
why do you feel the need to whine? and not answer the question for that matter? WHY is it cool that CCP has a random group of people they ignore like everyone else? I dont care WHO is ON it atm, Im asking about it in GENERAL -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dalloway Jones Do you care as much about real world politics? Or are you just crying because a group of nerds get to go to Iceland twice a year?
Wow you really feel the need to whine today dont you?
-------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna For the CSM to be viable, it needs seperate sections.
As it stands, null-sec always wins, simply because they are most organised.
What should be done is the CSM split according to population:
x null sec candidates x low sec candidates x faction warfare candidates e.t.c.
Then only players showing a certain amount of achievement/effort in those regions/activities could vote in those categories, note that these limits wouldn't be announced making it impossible to know if you qualify or not prior, to stop gaming the system.
This would mean the csm actually represents to some degree the player base instead of interest groups.
I agree. Everyone but 0.0 are in the position of having no representation And everyone's expectations were set by the original laughable charter of the panel. Expectations STARTED stupidly high, and CCP dropping a NDA on the m when they say things they dont like about their plans (or thats what it tooks like to the masses) or when they drop a change behind the CSM's backs (cant rememer WHICH one specifically, but about 6 months ago, I remember a change they told the CSM they were gonna let them look over an then dropped it straight into the game an the CSM were pitching a fit over it), belittles them in the eyes of the players. The expectations get dented, ppl qq, all that stuff.
No offense tho, flying elected players to Iceland as a sounding board is the most useless thing Ive ever heard of. -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Dalloway Jones Why must people whine about this?
What part of EVE do you live in?
Reason I asked that was cause if you dont live in 0.0, IE in high sec, you might wanna look in on what theyre deciding for you. Im guessing you live in 0.0, and are salivating at the chance to pop noobs when they make it so that high sec is no longer a viable place to live. -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
What makes you think those noobs are going to keep paying to stay and be abused instead of, say, going to play something else?
thats kinda been my point a lot in other threads lol Especially a bad portent when ppl say the percentage of the population affected is 80% Thats a sizable chunk hence my sig. I used to have the phrase "this is your NGE/CU moment CCP" in there but people were getting it confused with whatever topic happened to be in that thread at the time -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 01/09/2011 05:32:15
Originally by: Pok Nibin
CCP is governed by "management by crises." Most well run organizations have "crisis management." You see the difference. This CSM joke was fomented as a result of a CCP employee (who was never fired) using his position to gain considerable advantage in the game.
and was never fired because the staff was "on vacation" when the incident happened. Remember that bit? And the people he conspired with were never punished either. One PLAYER was banned from this, **********, whose name as you can see in STILL filtered out, several years later.
Originally by: Digital Messiah I think you forget the power the CSM enthralls over the community as well. If CCP back stabs them, they can make a riot 10x worse than the last jita raid.
yea... no... other than getting the Goons to DDOS the EVE-O forums again, no power -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 01/09/2011 13:19:15 So we dont NEED them?
CCP does. Guess they have to have SOME friends, even if they have to buy them
-------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung Ive seen the question asked alot lately. They're pretty obviously out for only THEIR best interests, they an CCP dont see eye to eye anyways (3 months for the minutes to the emergency minutes lol), CCP HAS and will release things without telling them or behind their backs.
Theyre PR puppets they like to pull out when the community is in an uproar. They have no power of their own.
The group was formed for one, impossible reason, continued cause CCP needs PR lackeys, and I think their usefulness has passed. I know WHY they were formed but WHY to we continue to NEED them now?
this lol -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.02 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Sullen Skoung Ive seen the question asked alot lately. They're pretty obviously out for only THEIR best interests, they an CCP dont see eye to eye anyways (3 months for the minutes to the emergency minutes lol), CCP HAS and will release things without telling them or behind their backs.
Theyre PR puppets they like to pull out when the community is in an uproar. They have no power of their own.
The group was formed for one, impossible reason, continued cause CCP needs PR lackeys, and I think their usefulness has passed. I know WHY they were formed but WHY to we continue to NEED them now?
this lol
More this -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Breaker77 It was formed due to the T20 incident. If you don't know what that is, you have no right to complain about it.
Not quite true. Internal Affairs was formed due to the t20 stuff. The CSM came later and I think its done exactly what :ccp: intended. You can make of that what you will ;)
I was there CSM was formed after T20 as a watchdog group to go to Iceland to make sure CCP wasnt cheating. It was as impossible and useless as it is now.
Just wish I still had the link for the dev blog or whatever it was that was the announcement for it that said that -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.02 15:35:00 -
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Quote: "The voice of the player has always been an integral and driving force in the maturation of EVE Online, so the institution of the Council of Stellar Management is natural at this point," said Petur Oskarsson, CCP Researcher and project lead for the Council of Stellar Management. "The CSM will empower players with a formal communications channel to directly impact the development of their society as it grows more and more advanced."
damn funny quote now isnt it?
-------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.03 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Quote: "The voice of the player has always been an integral and driving force in the maturation of EVE Online, so the institution of the Council of Stellar Management is natural at this point," said Petur Oskarsson, CCP Researcher and project lead for the Council of Stellar Management. "The CSM will empower players with a formal communications channel to directly impact the development of their society as it grows more and more advanced."
damn funny quote now isnt it?
Im still lolling having found that quote -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.04 08:44:00 -
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anyone wanna second this? lol Even Mittens wants to burn it down now -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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Posted - 2011.09.04 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trolls Troll
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Quote: "The voice of the player has always been an integral and driving force in the maturation of EVE Online, so the institution of the Council of Stellar Management is natural at this point," said Petur Oskarsson, CCP Researcher and project lead for the Council of Stellar Management. "The CSM will empower players with a formal communications channel to directly impact the development of their society as it grows more and more advanced."
damn funny quote now isnt it?
Im still lolling having found that quote
YOU HAVE MY POST
Thanks for the bump, I appreciate it -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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